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Interview
by Mwabi Murdock
I met Crystal years ago at a gathering. I was
a new mother trying to find balance between family life and
my creativity. I was immediately drawn to Crystal not
because of her big personality but her quiet power. She
handed me a postcard and said she had a book coming out.
Little did I know that that book was Blackberries,
Blackberries an amazing collection of short stories
about the South. A second book of short stories called
Water Street followed. Crystal is currently putting
finishing touches on her first novel Opulence and an
anthology tentatively titled
Down Home: Fiction from the New Black South.
We are good friends now and have
seen each other through the birth of another son and
watching our children grow and Crystal has remained as
humble as she was that day years ago when we first met. I
recently met up with Crystal and we caught up.
How did the decision to write short stories come about?
My love for the short story comes from the tradition of oral
story telling. My grandparents always told me stories and
also my love for poetry. I love all the short forms of
literature and that is what I enjoy writing most.
Looking back, do you think you could have written a novel
first or did you always know that you would release
collections of short stories before the novel?
Actually it’s sort of the opposite. I never, ever, ever,
ever, intended to write novels. I always thought I’d be a
short story writer. I didn’t know how that worked in regard
to publishing but I have never wanted to be anything other
than a writer of short stories and poetry.
Writing about the South is obviously very important to
you and is seen throughout your work. What is it about the
South that appeals so much to you?
I guess if a writer writes what she knows, there are three
things I’ve always been: fat, black and country (lol). I am
simply drawn to the stories of Southern folk because I am
one. I can certainly appreciate other landscapes but my
imagination will always live in a rural area or a small
town. Every time I sit down to write those characters and
landscapes persist.
What message about the South is lacking in your opinion?
There is this notion that all black folks live in an urban
south and I guess I sort of see it as my duty to keep
representing the rural black folk. There are still plenty of
rural folk out there you know.
Your two short story collections Blackberries,
Blackberries (2000) and Water Street (2002) were well
received. What was your experience after the release of the
books?
I always thought that what it meant to be a writer was
simply putting the words out there into the air and the book
taking a life of its own. I didn’t realize until they were
published that I would have to go along with them (smile).
As a consummate shy, hermit woman, it has been really hard
for me to put myself out there as far as promotion. It is
easy for me to promote the work of others. I could support
my boyfriend, Ron Davis, all day long. He’s a visual artist
and a poet. And it’s nothing for me to say to someone else
how great Ron would be for their program, their exhibit,
their reading, etc. But it is still hard as hell for me to
say positive things about my own work and to try and promote
it. But oddly enough both books did fairly well on their own
with or without my help. Which is how I think it should be.
I know so many people who are so very great at promoting
themselves but their actual writing is not equal to the buzz
that surrounds them.
How has your life as author been since then?
Quiet really. I need to get the next book finished. I do
lots and lots of speaking engagements but I am very excited
about the third book and continue to try and finish it.
Speaking of the new book, you are working on your first
novel Opulence that expands on a story (My Girl Mona)
featured in Water Street. Why that particular story?
Well those women, Mona and Yolanda, have continued to haunt
me. When I sat down to write the novel, it wasn’t my
original intent to write about them again. But I realized
that the characters that I was writing about was indeed
these characters again. My first response was “Heifers, go
on!” lol but then I realized that the story of these sisters
and their friendship is often the story of a lot of us
sisters. It’s about state of sistafriends and about how the
ways in which we are brought up by society, our connect or
disconnect from family and ultimately ancestral memory. I
believe that much of who we become is out of our hands, not
simply because of genetics but because of what is ingrained
in us, what is destined for us via ancestral memory.
Was it “My Girl, Mona” a reader favorite?
Well a lot of people want to talk to me about that story but
most don’t quite understand it. Some people think Yolanda
has a split personality and that she is really Mona. She’s
not really but she is like Yolanda’s right arm because
they’ve been friends practically since birth. And it is a
story that won an award (the Indiana Review’s Fiction
Prize—long before I taught there) so I guess people are
interested. I think the Indiana Review has me reading it on
podcast up on their website.
[click here to listen]
Your writing easily succeeds at making the reader feel
what the characters are feeling. Was that your intention or
just a wonderful bonus?
Well thank you for saying that. I take that as a compliment,
of course. You’ve always supported my work Mwabi and I thank
you for that. To me my characters are real people so if I
don’t make the reader feel what they are feeling then I
haven’t done my job. I admire Gayl Jones so much and I guess
she is the writer that I most attempt to emulate in that
regard. She has always had the ability to make a reader feel
as if they are inside the character, sometimes uncomfortably
so but if a reader doesn’t feel some emotional attachment to
the pulsing heart of the story and its characters then the
writer hasn’t done her job.
Is it more important to you to be known as a female
author or just an author? Does it matter?
Hmmm. Well I was on a panel with a rather famous southern
white writer once who asked me how it feels to be considered
a black writer. I know what he meant because he had been
talking about his experience in the context of being a
southern writer but he didn’t seem to realize that it wasn’t
the same. Of course I said something rather smart alleck
like “Well I would look awful strange going around saying I
was a white male Swede writer wouldn’t I?” But to answer
your question, it is equally important to me to be woman,
black and rural. They are synonymous to who I am. I am all
these things.
You are also a poet. Are there any plans to release a
collection of poetry?
I have a collection of poems—The Water Witch—which are to be
published.
What is it about writing and being an author that just
does ‘it’ for you?
Well, its sort of cliché but if I could have been anything
other than a writer perhaps I would have been...This is my
calling. When I’m writing at my best it’s akin to being in
love. All is right with the world. I am living in a state of
bliss. There is nothing like it except really being in love.
The idea of being an ‘author’ is a different thing
altogether, though. I enjoy that people read my books but
I’m not hung up on celebrity in any way and that will never
be something that turns me on.
Is there anything about you and your craft that you want
readers to know that they might not already know?
Just look out for my next book. It’s coming eventually. I
promise.
What is next for the wonderful Crystal Wilkinson?
Well my partner, Ron, and I are looking forward to being a
part of a sort of arts renaissance in Kentucky. We are going
to open up our home for art salons and discussions and
readings and the like. And of course there is the next book,
Opulence, and then the next and the next. I’m working on two
novels simultaneously and I have an anthology coming out
soon as well as the collection of poetry. It’s all hard
work—trying to maintain being a professor, a supportive,
loving partner, mothering, grandmothering—whew—but I
wouldn’t have it any other way. Thank you for doing this
Mwabi. And thanks to Amanda for this fabulous journal.
Flood
1962
The smell of squash is still
with her. Five days after she has given birth and two hours
after the storm slows to a good downpour, Lucy Goode Brown
wakes to rain beating against the windowpane. She remembers
the fuzzy green stems, the five-fingered leaves reaching
out, but mostly she holds in her mind the yellow bodies
curved, long-necked and graceful, their fullness heavy on
the vines around her as she pushed the baby out.
Ten years later, this image
will return to her again. She will be slicing squash in the
kitchen and there will suddenly be clarity and even a little
fear about the kind of woman she has become. She will always
mourn some parts of her former self, the woman she thinks
she used to be. She will only then be curving toward the
kind of mother she wishes she could have been all along.
This afternoon, in her own
bedroom, she is fully awake. In fact this is a new
alertness, the kind she had before she was ever in a family
way. She reaches down somewhat surprised that the taut
mountain that had been the child’s is now wobbly and loose
under her hand and back to being hers alone. She is aware of
her hip bones now, the hollowness of her belly, the
tightness of her engorged breasts. She rolls to Joe’s side
of the bed. She misses that extra weight there in the front
of her that kept her oddly off balance for all these months.
Now, she feels a void underneath her navel, a riverbed
drained. This burden of emptiness has descended upon her.
This feeling, this particular sort of worthlessness, is
being felt for the last time. Though she doesn’t know it at
this moment, there will be no more children.
She stands, feels a gurgling
between her legs and smells the rusty tang of her own blood.
She hears our family moving about the house, the rain’s
persistent tap-tapping. Her body is stiff, a little
weakened. She shuffles across the room like a woman twice
her age. She fully opens the window, which is already
cracked a few inches and leans into the sill. A muddy pool
of water forms at the end of the walk, growing wide, like a
tiny brown pond. And even Lucy Goode Brown, a woman who will
later consider herself too busy for daydreaming, is taken by
the outdoors until the clamor of her own house grows as
faint as secrets whispered into a cupped ear.
The neighbors are out on
their porches, fanning themselves with cardboard flaps and
newspaper. With the rain has come gnats and mosquitoes. The
sound of skin slaps echoes two houses away. But they will
all celebrate the gardens, their backyard tomatoes, and the
second round of kale greens now holding water in their curly
leaves. The zenias and begonias will perk up bright in pinks
and reds and on up the road, across Mission Bridge, toward
Diamond, the old farmers in the country are nodding with the
quiet pleasure that a good rain brings. They have crossed
their black arms; their chests are swollen with pride; their
snowy heads held up high beneath the shelter of barns and
porches. Some will stand fully in the rain and let it take
them. The crops will green up again. In Diamond, the garden
is glistening wet, the remaining squash turning their necks
toward the sun.
Below Lucy’s window, a girl
and a boy chase each other around in a circle up and down
the road. The girl’s hair has gone home already, bushing out
around her plaits. Lucy can’t quite make out whose child she
is, one of the Jenkins girls, maybe. A woman with a coat
over her head trudges down the hill. Lucy can’t see her
face. It could be me, she thinks. She imagines
herself with Grandma Tookie’s beige raincoat over her head,
unnoticed, walking up the hill in the downpour, across
Mission Bridge away from town. An invisible Goode woman,
imagine that. Her eyes tear up, spill out like
thimble-sized oceans.
She hears the ruckus of
evening again on the other side of her bedroom door—the end
of supper, voices muted, chairs being scooted out. Behind
that door are clothes to wash, a white sudsy sink of dishes,
children to feed, a husband to love, a mother to please, a
grandmother to praise, but in these moments Lucy relishes
being alone, though she recalls her time beneath the squash
vines as a sort of loneliness. Her arms are damp from the
open window. It’s nice and quiet and cool and she imagines
herself in the water, splashing around like a muddy child,
free, free. She takes it all in, then makes her way to the
bed and slips back underneath the sheets.
Joe’s dresser drawer is
cock-eyed, a few of his socks bunch up at the edge of the
wood and hang over. A necktie, the red one with a blue
zigzag like a lightning bolt, reflects itself in the
metallic pool of the looking glass. There is a pile of work
clothes is on the floor and Joe’s pajamas are thrown over
the back of the chair in the corner. Lucy breathes in the
moist air that settles around her, looks around at the mess
and shakes her head.
She will scold Joe later
when he is beside her in the bed. “Joe,” she’ll say.
“Daddy,” she’ll say then stop and smile ...”Baby,” she’ll
begin again, “with Kiki and this new one and Dinner on the
Grounds coming up... and Mama and Mom Mae getting up in
age...and Daddy . . . Sugar, could you just do a little bit
for yourself?” And then she’ll place her fingers together
like she’s just asking for something tiny, something small,
just a pinch of something. And she’ll cut her eyes just
right. “Joe...Will you?.. I’ll do the rest...Ain’t I always
done the rest?” She won’t know what to say really, exactly
how to say it. Then Joe will get that hard look on his face
like he’s preparing for a quarrel and she’ll iron it out,
smooth it all out with a light kiss on his collarbone right
next to his Adam’s apple. That place right there like a
little hill and valley where she likes to rest her lips. Her
lips won’t be dry then. They’ll be the tiniest bit wet. And
then he’ll know what she means. They can’t make love yet but
that one kiss right there will tide him over, smooth
everything out like an iron to a sheet. From behind her
she’ll scoop his rough hands around her jiggle of a waist
and he’ll press his heart to her back without a word, just
satisfied sighs. She imagines that’s how they’ll sleep.
But that won’t be the way it
needs to be said, Joe. I won’t say, Why can’t a grown ass
man pick up his own damn britches. I don’t want to be
picking up after you, with one more person to take care of,
pretty as she is. We need a new baby like we need one more
eye or toe or mouth, Joe. But I won’t say that either. I
won’t say nothing. Remember when we got married? Came up to
this room and didn’t come out for a week. Had your big old
eyes right here for me to look into. That scar running clean
through your eyebrow like my very own beacon. You was just
mine. Two legs, two arms, one silly heart. That’s what we
was. She laughs. Oh how that sounds. Now you scattered out
all over, your head turned in every direction. Your heart?
Don’t know where your heart is. You belong to the whole damn
world. And don’t get me wrong, I would wash your dirty
drawers till kingdom come if you could save me from this.
This...drowning. Feel like I am in Mission Creek. Just ‘bout
gone. Circle me back to that old feeling again, Baby. Just
once, Daddy. And don’t think I wouldn’t do anything in the
world for my babies cause I would. Mama and MomMae too… The
tears well up again and Lucy falls, gully-washed into her
own kind of grief.
While Lucy Goode Brown
sleeps toward healing, Mom Mae comes in and changes the
padding between her legs and tests her forehead for fever.
“Bout time to feed that baby,” Mom Mae says and shakes
Lucy’s arm a little to rouse her but Lucy sleeps on, her
closed eyes darting back and forth in some dream. Mom Mae
wipes drool from her granddaughter’s mouth and calls Tookie
in to change the pillowcases which are sour with fever
sweat.
“Fever’s most gone,” Mom Mae
says and wipes a streak of dark thick blood from Lucy’s
thigh before covering her back up.
Tookie replaces the top
sheet and quickly places it back over Lucy. “Okay for Joe to
stay tonight?” She smoothes the fresh pillow and places it
under her daughter’s head.
“Yeah, long as he ain’t got
no man notions.”
Tookie says nothing.
Lucy begins to stir in her
sleep but doesn’t wake fully.
“In my time, we put em out
of a woman’s bed least six weeks.”
“Um hunh,” Tookie says but
thinks a husband belongs in the bed with his wife, even in
times like this. “You think she looks all right?” She
squeezes both of her daughter’s feet through the sheet
before she leaves.
“Got a touch of the fever’s
all,” Mom Mae says, “many a woman catch a fever when they
birthing.”
In a dream, Lucy climbs a
ridge following a path to a pond. Her plaits are freed out
around her head like black rat snakes set loose. Her palms
are splayed open, held skyward as if in praise. A gust of
wind ripples across the water and the mysteries it holds are
more important than any one thing Lucy can think of. She
quells the urge to jump in, to swim to the other side just
to see if she can. She remains at dusk, then through
nightfall. She sits on the water’s edge and it is churning
like a river at flood time and rising. At nightfall ants are
crawling up her calves and there is a snail on her knee, a
green frog nestled in the crook of her arm. She tries to get
them off her but more come. It is after she grows resistant
to the pinching bite of the mosquitoes, after it no longer
seems unusual to have the frog there, after she becomes
accustomed to the slimy trail the snail leaves as it climbs
her thigh, and after the dance of the lightning bugs in her
hair, after that, stillness settles in her. The water
continues to chop but in the darkness her own churning stops
and her attention is folded inside out. The night is black
as pitch and though she can feel every living thing on her
body, she is somewhere else really, floating above it all,
close to the moon. She has almost finally lost herself.
Good, good, she thinks. Good with a little girl’s
glee. A barred owl hoots. Above her is an endless blanket of
stars, a world larger and more glorious than herself. And
yet even with this knowing there is still a tiny pulse of
trepidation throbbing in the distance. Above her the very
sky is shifting from blue black to deep purple somehow,
changing with the night.
Lucy wakes, not knowing how
long she has slept this time or that her mother and
grandmother have been in and out of the room. The sheets are
stale again with her sweat. She doesn’t remember her dream,
not in any exact way, but her heart races like she’s afraid
of something. She shifts her weight to the side. The day is
nearly gone, a fleshy orange out the window, now, even
though it is still raining.
Lucy hears the baby crying
behind the closed door, the squall in her ear a sweet ache.
Her breasts throb, then tingle, and she can already feel the
milk straining through her crusted nipples. She frees
herself from the bra and the milk comes first in slow drops,
then faster, running down the rise of her belly and pouring
into the crevice of her navel like a flood. She tries to
stop it by bunching up the top sheet against her breast but
her breast shift just a little and high streams of milk
squirt into the air like tiny fountains. Lucy wills her body
to stop but the milk keeps flowing. She cries.
Tookie raps at the door and
then pushes it open with her elbow. “Somebody’s hungry,” she
says and leans in to place the baby in Lucy arms but Lucy
rolls over on her side and turns her back toward her mother
and the child.
“Come on,” Tookie says,
“Every living thing got to eat.” She bounces the baby
against her own breast.
Lucy rolls over and Tookie
holds the baby out in front of her, tries to place it in
Lucy’s arms again.
Lucy pushes Tookie’s hands
back in a sort of reverse tug of war until the baby is back
against Tookie’s chest. “She’ll learn early then won’t she?”
“Learn what, Lucy? You ain’t
making no sense.” Tookie brings the baby in close to her and
bounces but everything living does have to eat so the baby
begins to kick and the soft, almost pretty wail, lofts up
and out against the walls of the room.
“Crazy,” Tookie says to the
baby, bouncing to try and appease the child. “Good thing we
got bottles boiled and ready cause your mama’s crazy.” And
she opens the door and slips back into the hum of sanity
outside this room.
Back in the comfort of
darkness, Lucy places her left hand on her breasts where
streams of clear blue milk still drip down her sides and her
right hand down below where nobody should be touching this
soon.
Right away it is clear to
Mom Mae that the fever has come back on Lucy with a
vengeance but the baby still needs to be fed. “Hold her
feet,” she says to Tookie and pushes her full weight atop
Lucy and holds her hands, even with her trying to kick and
scream.
“We got bottles,” Tookie
says but takes her place at the bottom of Lucy’s bed.
“Cow’s milk for cows,” Mom
Mae says.
Wrestling with her
granddaughter makes Mom Mae think of all the men she’s
fought in her life. Brought on fighting Macon Dixon one year
during hog killing time when she was twelve, wrestling him
for her own sweet spot. She’d won, though, still a virgin
when she married. Brought on knocking out that white boy,
Possum Briggs, that time when he’d called her a black bitch
and slapped her one day when they was swimming in the creek
and how scared her mama was that she’d hang for giving that
old hoogie a black eye even if he did deserve it and more.
Brought on plenty, but she had something more pressing
before her that needed finishing. She called for Joe to come
with the baby so it could eat. And it did, its face going
peaceful and satisfied, even with the struggle all around
it, as soon as it latched on to the nipple. But Lucy
struggles till it’s one, breathing heavy like she’s in a
fight for somebody’s life or running from a long ways off.
But then she quiets back down when the baby has nursed and
goes back to sleep.
Later up in the night when
Joe crawls into the empty space beside her, he notices right
away where her hands are placed and says, “Baby, you okay?
Need anything?”
“Need a lot.”
“You want me to get you some
ice water? That fever…”
“No.”
“Hungry?”
“Not for what you talking
about.”
Joe Brown clears his throat
because even in the dark he can see Lucy’s hand moving
around in that place. The smell of women’s blood is filling
up the room. Even under the circumstances, though he didn’t
want to get an erection, his penis is hard and throbbing
against his thigh and he longs to touch himself even more
than he wants to touch her but he doesn’t. He just lies in
the dark, listening to her breathing beside him. He hears
her breath increase and subside when she’s finished.
In his memory years later at
her funeral when they have closed the coffin and are
carrying Lucy out of Mission Creek Baptist Church even in
his grief when the glint of copper on the coffin catches the
sunlight, he will suddenly remember this night, and how
Lucy’s smell had taken up the entire room. And he will
remember the rain pinging on the window and how they were
quiet like that for a long time and how her hands were still
on herself in those places, her fingers caked with blood and
milk, when the sun came up and how he’d watched her sleep
then, sleeping just like that with her hands finally still. |